"Since the Iran-Iraq War (1980-88), wars have tended to be mainly destructive forces for nations."


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ChamoshChamoshvnd ChamoshChamoshvnd (@ChamoshChamoshvnd) Pinned comment
Seriously?
War "helped" with "building" nations through a process of destroying the smaller nations that couldn't win against the big nations which invaded them.
War ALWAYS destroyed nations, still destroys nations and will continue to destroy nations; smaller nations in favor of bigger, stronger ones.


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said Saïd Amin (@said) replied to ChamoshChamoshvnd (@ChamoshChamoshvnd) Pinned comment
I think I understand what you're saying, but you might be interpreting the author's message literally. I don't read it as Kukis advocating war (for the sake of nation building), but rather acknowledging that conditions, in the aftermath of devastating wars, were historically more conducive for nations to rebuild. From Germany, Iran, Japan...look at how those nations rose from the ashes--why is that and why is this not happening with recent wars, post Iran/Iraq?
Increasingly, the fabric of nations are in flux, with fault lines/divisions exposed like no other time in history---and as such, it's perhaps possible that the aftermath of war is less of of unifier than it's historically been.

All that said, yes, "War ALWAYS destroyed nations" and sadly, it will continue to do so.
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ChamoshChamoshvnd ChamoshChamoshvnd (@ChamoshChamoshvnd) replied to Saïd Amin (@said) Pinned comment
Yes, we could discern elements of a "creative destruction" in some wars, but could that be generalized to all wars?
Germany and Japan were already established industrial capitalist societies prior to WWII, and the US in its competition with USSR strongly pushed to revive their economies, as allies and a buffer against its Cold War nemesis. The Marshall Plan was a gargantuan, massive plan of action that hasn't been repeated yet.
Iran's introduction to full fledged capitalism began only after shah's "White Revolution" in the 60's, and even then our capitalism has always remained malformed and a Rentier capitalism, more than anything else.
Is war the ultimate capitalist solution in resolving its crisis of accumulation?
Such a claim could be proven empirically and historically, since the advent of capitalism up to now.
And thanx for posting a provocative article in here. 👍
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said Saïd Amin (@said) replied to ChamoshChamoshvnd (@ChamoshChamoshvnd) Pinned comment
My pleasure! I personally love thought provoking articles and/or discussions that challenge my assumptions (so long as they remain civil, void of personal attacks). The article's premise/argument would of been better served as a longer length essay--as you point out, it's more nuanced than the generalized statements made by the author. Anyway, thanks for the back and forth. Upward and onward>>>
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